The obsession with sex in men today is, ironically, in benefit of the women. Why?
Because men, desperate to get some shitty sex with a random hoe, need to perform, they need to become what she wants (in some way) before getting in her pants. This means that the entirety of male culture is centered around pleasing women, about getting their approval. In every great period of civilization, even if men wanted sex, they would never behave and debase themselves like they do today. Where the ancient Greeks constantly talking about how to get laid? Where they obsessed with "getting better" to get a woman to open their legs for them? Obviously not. They were first concerned with freedom, security and creating a great civilization, and as a secondary consequence of said behavior they would get sex and a family.
None of the retarded shit we see today in young men, watching women shaking their asses 24/7 in some shitty blue-screen while dreaming of how to get her to accept him and sending her money desperately desiring her attention. If you think about it, even the ideas of pubs/discos, etc, are complete degeneracy. Young men spending all their time and energy for years, several nights a week just to get some pussy... I once said this to a friend and he argued: "hey what are you talking about? the vikings were always celebrating and flirting and doing orgies etc" This is a very retarded midwit take. The vikings would fuck girls in a party after celebrating conquering their enemies, their value as men wasn't centered on getting a woman's approvals, it was on fighting and honor, and then because they were bored they would fuck several women, that's all.
The greatest creators/inventors of civilization are YOUNG MEN, full of energy, desire for greatness, desire to build, to fight, to do what's right... well all of that today is spent just looking for the next ass to have sex with, to get some approval, because if said man doesn't get a woman's approval then he's not a real man.
My rant may come off as incelish but the truth is that I have partaken in everything I have criticized in this post, because at the end of the day you just have to play the game, it's either that or losing. Nonetheless, I believe I speak the truth.
PS: I remember reading somewhere that being a womanizer was actually considered feminine behavior until the last century. Today it's considered masculine. In light of what I said in the first paragraphs it makes no sense to consider it a masculine endeavor.
I agree. the black pill is that the only reason things were different back then is because women were property and thus men did not have to compete directly for their. Rape and pillage baby.
Men are biologically and mostly immutably sex obsessed. They always have in the past and will always in the future only fight for higher order things after this need is met (or if they are weird freaks with broken sex drives but this is not scalable for obvious reasons).
Unless you plan to de-emancipate women, the only solution is to teach men how to get women so they can meet their sexual needs adequately, only after which will they actually focus on improving civilization for it’s own sake.
Yes. Your blackpill is correct, and I'd also add another blackpill is that we just can't save everyone, but maybe that's not a blackpill, that's just how it's supposed to be.
You're also on point when you talk about master morality, you don't need the entire society to be like that, just a higher % of men, in fact, when Nietzsche wrote his books, he always said he was writing for "the few", not for the masses.
"...you probably have a lot of resentment and need to process that. But this is a phase. And this phase is a means to an end. Not an end in itself."
This is, I submit, the message that made the manosphere something far beyond a reverse feminism, and made the revival we're beginning to see possible. It's an important message to keep repeating, especially as the follow-on waves with less personal affinity for it replace the early adopters.
Your article does an excellent job of that, and is a solid grab-you-by-the-collar summary.
I'm pretty sure I'm on the spectrum, and I saw someone say TRP isn't really meant for autists, because you have to be at least average for it to be useful and there's a heavy dose of irony to all of it. A lot of it seems like you would have to be neurotypical to be able to implement, without turning into a full time actor anyway, and I don't see issues with Mark Manson's Models (it's really quite redpill, minus the vitriol), and some other stuff more targeted to help autistics.
I guess I'm saying this to let you know I don't see room for myself in your worldview, unless you disagree.
I will say that both TRP and the Burgundy Pill suggest are not easy. This is especially true if you have ASD and struggle socially. But that doesn't make them any less necessary. Everything important and worth doing is hard.
Been reading through that, yeah, you're doing important work here. Sketching a way out of the redpill mindset without eschewing it entirely. Did you ever write about your own personal journey in figuring out how to become attractive? I feel like it's different for us on the spectrum than for a neurotypical AFC. I think I have a fawn response going, been trying to ditch it.
the process i lay out in plate spinning 4.2 is basically the exact steps i followed.
I think i always naturally had the foundations for being driven and assertive but my own self doubt and feeling “lost and out of place surrounded by aliens” (asperger’s) caused me to be really timid and weak for a long time.
Step 1 was to like sort out my mind and become assertive and competent in like basic life stuff. required like 5 years of weekly psychotherapy for me. that unlocked some confidence and drive.
2 was to truly hone in on my passion and Big Gay Life Mission that maximized my strengths and made up for all my weaknesses (and if anything turned them into strengths). that unlocked a lot more confidence and drive.
all the while i was just like practicing socially. All the basic stuff you’ll find in TRP of like how to meet new people and start conversations and all the rest.
Once you are confident in yourself and socially competent women just kind of start throwing themselves at you.
I have a life mission, but yeah, doesn't make me assertive and competent with people. What does basic life stuff mean here? I think it's people specifically where I feel like I lack competence and assertiveness, particularly when cold approaching women.
I have a big life mission.
Not super familiar with The Red Pill, does it ultimately say something all that different from Models? You did recommend that book.
The obsession with sex in men today is, ironically, in benefit of the women. Why?
Because men, desperate to get some shitty sex with a random hoe, need to perform, they need to become what she wants (in some way) before getting in her pants. This means that the entirety of male culture is centered around pleasing women, about getting their approval. In every great period of civilization, even if men wanted sex, they would never behave and debase themselves like they do today. Where the ancient Greeks constantly talking about how to get laid? Where they obsessed with "getting better" to get a woman to open their legs for them? Obviously not. They were first concerned with freedom, security and creating a great civilization, and as a secondary consequence of said behavior they would get sex and a family.
None of the retarded shit we see today in young men, watching women shaking their asses 24/7 in some shitty blue-screen while dreaming of how to get her to accept him and sending her money desperately desiring her attention. If you think about it, even the ideas of pubs/discos, etc, are complete degeneracy. Young men spending all their time and energy for years, several nights a week just to get some pussy... I once said this to a friend and he argued: "hey what are you talking about? the vikings were always celebrating and flirting and doing orgies etc" This is a very retarded midwit take. The vikings would fuck girls in a party after celebrating conquering their enemies, their value as men wasn't centered on getting a woman's approvals, it was on fighting and honor, and then because they were bored they would fuck several women, that's all.
The greatest creators/inventors of civilization are YOUNG MEN, full of energy, desire for greatness, desire to build, to fight, to do what's right... well all of that today is spent just looking for the next ass to have sex with, to get some approval, because if said man doesn't get a woman's approval then he's not a real man.
My rant may come off as incelish but the truth is that I have partaken in everything I have criticized in this post, because at the end of the day you just have to play the game, it's either that or losing. Nonetheless, I believe I speak the truth.
PS: I remember reading somewhere that being a womanizer was actually considered feminine behavior until the last century. Today it's considered masculine. In light of what I said in the first paragraphs it makes no sense to consider it a masculine endeavor.
I agree. the black pill is that the only reason things were different back then is because women were property and thus men did not have to compete directly for their. Rape and pillage baby.
Men are biologically and mostly immutably sex obsessed. They always have in the past and will always in the future only fight for higher order things after this need is met (or if they are weird freaks with broken sex drives but this is not scalable for obvious reasons).
Unless you plan to de-emancipate women, the only solution is to teach men how to get women so they can meet their sexual needs adequately, only after which will they actually focus on improving civilization for it’s own sake.
Yes. Your blackpill is correct, and I'd also add another blackpill is that we just can't save everyone, but maybe that's not a blackpill, that's just how it's supposed to be.
You're also on point when you talk about master morality, you don't need the entire society to be like that, just a higher % of men, in fact, when Nietzsche wrote his books, he always said he was writing for "the few", not for the masses.
"...you probably have a lot of resentment and need to process that. But this is a phase. And this phase is a means to an end. Not an end in itself."
This is, I submit, the message that made the manosphere something far beyond a reverse feminism, and made the revival we're beginning to see possible. It's an important message to keep repeating, especially as the follow-on waves with less personal affinity for it replace the early adopters.
Your article does an excellent job of that, and is a solid grab-you-by-the-collar summary.
I'm pretty sure I'm on the spectrum, and I saw someone say TRP isn't really meant for autists, because you have to be at least average for it to be useful and there's a heavy dose of irony to all of it. A lot of it seems like you would have to be neurotypical to be able to implement, without turning into a full time actor anyway, and I don't see issues with Mark Manson's Models (it's really quite redpill, minus the vitriol), and some other stuff more targeted to help autistics.
I guess I'm saying this to let you know I don't see room for myself in your worldview, unless you disagree.
I have Aspergers. I wrote a little 20,000 word series on version of TRP called "the Burgundy Pill". Check it out and let me know what you think.
https://minordissent.substack.com/p/burgundy-pill-plate-spinning-part-bf6?utm_source=publication-search
I will say that both TRP and the Burgundy Pill suggest are not easy. This is especially true if you have ASD and struggle socially. But that doesn't make them any less necessary. Everything important and worth doing is hard.
Been reading through that, yeah, you're doing important work here. Sketching a way out of the redpill mindset without eschewing it entirely. Did you ever write about your own personal journey in figuring out how to become attractive? I feel like it's different for us on the spectrum than for a neurotypical AFC. I think I have a fawn response going, been trying to ditch it.
the process i lay out in plate spinning 4.2 is basically the exact steps i followed.
I think i always naturally had the foundations for being driven and assertive but my own self doubt and feeling “lost and out of place surrounded by aliens” (asperger’s) caused me to be really timid and weak for a long time.
Step 1 was to like sort out my mind and become assertive and competent in like basic life stuff. required like 5 years of weekly psychotherapy for me. that unlocked some confidence and drive.
2 was to truly hone in on my passion and Big Gay Life Mission that maximized my strengths and made up for all my weaknesses (and if anything turned them into strengths). that unlocked a lot more confidence and drive.
all the while i was just like practicing socially. All the basic stuff you’ll find in TRP of like how to meet new people and start conversations and all the rest.
Once you are confident in yourself and socially competent women just kind of start throwing themselves at you.
I have a life mission, but yeah, doesn't make me assertive and competent with people. What does basic life stuff mean here? I think it's people specifically where I feel like I lack competence and assertiveness, particularly when cold approaching women.
I have a big life mission.
Not super familiar with The Red Pill, does it ultimately say something all that different from Models? You did recommend that book.