""The reality is that today you have more opportunity, freedom, and capacity for agency than 99% of humans alive and 99.9% of humans ever in history. And this will likely stay true for the rest of your life even if the Democrats win every future election.""
This is a very profound statement, likely very true as well. It never feels like it in the current day though. I would also add that anyone reading this is likely richer than 99% of all people who have ever lived. But it never feels like it
It’s indisputable there are online profiles and notorious posters who reflexively argue with anything out of inertia (or because that’s all they’re good for) but the gripes of “America first” hardliner populists are valid.
It’s reasonable that people are frustrated that every “conservative” is just a liberal from 15 years ago. People hoped Trump would be different but he’s less radical now than he was his first term, let alone whether he has any true “conservative” allegiances.
A trend I’m noticing among younger guys - the truly disaffected, 20 years old and never kissed a girl types - is they’re tired of negotiating and they’ve drawn a line in the sand (see the groyper movement, particularly their default “incel” social stance that now seems to come part and parcel with their political views)
If your country is tied up and raped by liberals, sure you can take whatever windfall you get along the way, or you can refuse to do anything and wait for the situation to get to a tipping point. I think this is where we are and I think the tipping point will come in the next decade or so.
True conservatism will return, heralded by a generation and a half of fighting age disaffected youth and “nothing ever happens” will be a happy memory of the past. The catgirl kulak is grooming these young men precisely for this moment as we speak.
Also FWIW I think it's not only fine but actually good that Fuentes exists. Per "The Great Deconstruction", we need a non zero amount of people who counter signal everything to keep everyone honest and ensure we don't get become delusional or corrupt.
But there are way too many young men doing this who are not designed for this, and incorrectly believing that their Political utopia is A) possible and B) the solution to their problem. Both are obviously untrue if you sit down and think about it honestly for even 10 minutes. And believing otherwise is what led to the mass murder of 100 million people in the last century. I think we can all agree that doing that again is not the optimal outcome here and thus we must be very careful about revolutionary utopianism.
I have read PIWT yes, but I think I disagree with your notion that for any given person they are better off working on themselves than engaging in political action. I think that’s true for most groups throughout most of history but I do think the political overreach has become so egregious that young men stirring discontent and finding a way to fight back is good and necessary.
The “oppressed” groups of the past are mostly untermensch motivated by resentment. This is part of the reason why political action is relevant today - the natural order is upside down. The middle cannot hold, you can’t have the most capable, competent, and ambitious people of a society be at the bottom of the social hierarchy. It’s an untenable state of affairs and it will right itself eventually... Soon, even, I think vitalist populism will be THE political story of the early 21st century.
Now whether it does that with any given young white man vs any other one is a different question. I agree with you that the marginal reader who wants to live a good life is better off focusing on themselves - obviously.
But I wouldn’t discourage anyone earnestly motivated toward political action from acting on that impulse. It’s there for a reason.
I think we agree mostly, but perhaps I would frame this question something like “Make sure your intentions are pure”. If you are earnestly motivated toward political action, pursue that. If you are only doing it as a cope because you can’t look at people in the eyes when you go outside and you’ve never been desired by a woman, then probably sort that out first.
FWIW Fuentes falls into the former category, he could easily be a high-status member of regular society but the slight he feels from modern America is just too deep so he torpedos his chance at a normal life in favor of vitalist political action — something I think is admirable and is MORE needed among our young men, not less.
>I think I disagree with your notion that for any given person they are better off working on themselves than engaging in political action.
yes, theoretically, a bunch of people getting together to change some law to their benefit can benefit them. That's not the point. People getting together to exploit the public purse is not good for society. And doing so does not change their lives. And no one in the DR is doing that anyway.
>young men stirring discontent and finding a way to fight back is good and necessary.
If by "stirring discontent and finding a way to fight back" you mean shit psoting and being racist and calling people faggots meanwhile they work on themselves and become useful then I agree. If you mean doing that while being unemployed and playing video games all day then I disagree. The problem is not caring about politics. The problem is making politics your entire means for feeling important and powerful.
>The middle cannot hold, you can’t have the most capable, competent, and ambitious people of a society be at the bottom of the social hierarchy.
Actual political action, like running for city council or some shit, is an entirely different matter. I agree this is useful and productive. To succeed at this you MUST be competent and useful. No one reading my content is doing that though.
>FWIW Fuentes falls into the former category, he could easily be a high-status member of regular society
I agree. My post is not to Fuentes. It is to some degree to his NEET depressed groypers with zero skills in any domain beside trolling and gaming who think a white ethonstate is A) possible B) a good idea and C) going to solve any significant degree of everything that's making them miserable though.
I would imagine there are lots of competent and powerful young men reading your posts…
I think whereas spaces like these used to be for disaffected NEET youfs they’re increasingly becoming occupied by normie/normie-adjacent regular people who need explanations for why things are feeling off. We’re very good at redpilling people and we have the opportunity to platform our views at scale, shift the Overton window, and hopefully encourage meaningful political action. I hope we can make progress on this in the midst of our recent cultural victories 🫡
I guess i still don’t understand your point though. like. Okay sure, some of my readers are actively power maxxing and don’t need a post reminding them to power maxx. I contend that a reminder to do the thing you’re doing can’t hurt though. I wrote the post because i was personally wrestling with how much to feel “mad” at Elon and concluded that i need to stay thinking strategic and power maxxing and that my anger is only because i was overly relying on him to fix everything precisely bc i can’t fix it myself. It, like all my posts, is a message to myself first and foremost.
Maybe some of my readers are SO powerful that they’ve reached a point at which power maxxing is no longer necessary and now it’s time to politics. This seems unlikely as i think that’s after like an 8 fig next worth. And if they are that successful i dont think i really have anything useful to say to them anyway bc i am not there yet.
so again, Im still confused. what is your concern? what are you proposing i do differently?
I’m not writing to suggest you should be doing anything differently. I’m mostly musing out loud and to the degree I “disagree” I’m mostly just curious how you would respond. I don’t really have any prescriptions, I think you’re generally correct.
I suppose when it comes to political action I do fundamentally believe in the power of the everyday people - in populism. Major conflicts throughout history are not usually decided by the mega rich and powerful. Even Machiavelli instructed his princes to make sure to keep the commoners happy and defer to them on matters of insignificance to keep them willingly subjected. This is even more so the case today, I mean we just witnessed a few hundred anons absolutely smear the streets with Elon’s blood on his own platform and mount Vivek’s head on a pike (heard from him lately?)
So to me the question of how much any given person should focus on wallowing in their political disaffections so they’re more mad at the elites vs raising their power level depends on whether or not the commoners as a polity have a valid claim to the illegitimacy of the ruling class. In our case I believe we have a more valid claim than we have had in 100 years. So in my view we should all strive individually to become as competent as possible and if we have wives and kids to go touch grass and enjoy Sundays at the park, yes, but also be prepared to take up arms literally or metaphorically when the time comes and to stoke the flames of populism when they are on our side, which they very much currently are.
Not sure how this translates to actionable advice but my point is about the primal intuition, the specifics can be hashed out later.
Have you read PIWT? I agree with everything you've said. My point is not that it's wrong but that it's misleading. While nothing you've said is incorrect, it leaves out a massive amount of other relevant information that leads believing it to being highly unproductive and self-defeating.
Stirring resentment, or worse, giving someone full of resentment who has been oppressed his entire life unlimited access to power will lead and always has led to disaster. In fact, every policy and cultural shift which led to the oppression and abuse of these men you speak of (a group which I considered myself in only a decade ago) was itself a reaction to the oppression and abuse of some other group in the past (women, minorities, etc). The feminists et al were retards focusing only on first order effects, and now we are here. Now we are doing the same, obsessed with our own plight, screeching at the top of our lungs for someone else to come in and implement our impossible political utopia that won't actually even fix the problem else we will burn everything down. When has people driven entirely by resentment and anger rather than strategy and deep thought ever gone well?
The solution is neither to give resentful people full of oppression access to power (what happened with the feminists et al) NOR to continue to oppress them and make them more angry (what we are doing to the young white men left behind). The solution is to help them cultivate their personal power so we can integrate and channel their energy into things that will actually improve their own and civilization's well being.
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""The reality is that today you have more opportunity, freedom, and capacity for agency than 99% of humans alive and 99.9% of humans ever in history. And this will likely stay true for the rest of your life even if the Democrats win every future election.""
This is a very profound statement, likely very true as well. It never feels like it in the current day though. I would also add that anyone reading this is likely richer than 99% of all people who have ever lived. But it never feels like it
It’s indisputable there are online profiles and notorious posters who reflexively argue with anything out of inertia (or because that’s all they’re good for) but the gripes of “America first” hardliner populists are valid.
It’s reasonable that people are frustrated that every “conservative” is just a liberal from 15 years ago. People hoped Trump would be different but he’s less radical now than he was his first term, let alone whether he has any true “conservative” allegiances.
A trend I’m noticing among younger guys - the truly disaffected, 20 years old and never kissed a girl types - is they’re tired of negotiating and they’ve drawn a line in the sand (see the groyper movement, particularly their default “incel” social stance that now seems to come part and parcel with their political views)
If your country is tied up and raped by liberals, sure you can take whatever windfall you get along the way, or you can refuse to do anything and wait for the situation to get to a tipping point. I think this is where we are and I think the tipping point will come in the next decade or so.
True conservatism will return, heralded by a generation and a half of fighting age disaffected youth and “nothing ever happens” will be a happy memory of the past. The catgirl kulak is grooming these young men precisely for this moment as we speak.
Also FWIW I think it's not only fine but actually good that Fuentes exists. Per "The Great Deconstruction", we need a non zero amount of people who counter signal everything to keep everyone honest and ensure we don't get become delusional or corrupt.
But there are way too many young men doing this who are not designed for this, and incorrectly believing that their Political utopia is A) possible and B) the solution to their problem. Both are obviously untrue if you sit down and think about it honestly for even 10 minutes. And believing otherwise is what led to the mass murder of 100 million people in the last century. I think we can all agree that doing that again is not the optimal outcome here and thus we must be very careful about revolutionary utopianism.
I have read PIWT yes, but I think I disagree with your notion that for any given person they are better off working on themselves than engaging in political action. I think that’s true for most groups throughout most of history but I do think the political overreach has become so egregious that young men stirring discontent and finding a way to fight back is good and necessary.
The “oppressed” groups of the past are mostly untermensch motivated by resentment. This is part of the reason why political action is relevant today - the natural order is upside down. The middle cannot hold, you can’t have the most capable, competent, and ambitious people of a society be at the bottom of the social hierarchy. It’s an untenable state of affairs and it will right itself eventually... Soon, even, I think vitalist populism will be THE political story of the early 21st century.
Now whether it does that with any given young white man vs any other one is a different question. I agree with you that the marginal reader who wants to live a good life is better off focusing on themselves - obviously.
But I wouldn’t discourage anyone earnestly motivated toward political action from acting on that impulse. It’s there for a reason.
I think we agree mostly, but perhaps I would frame this question something like “Make sure your intentions are pure”. If you are earnestly motivated toward political action, pursue that. If you are only doing it as a cope because you can’t look at people in the eyes when you go outside and you’ve never been desired by a woman, then probably sort that out first.
FWIW Fuentes falls into the former category, he could easily be a high-status member of regular society but the slight he feels from modern America is just too deep so he torpedos his chance at a normal life in favor of vitalist political action — something I think is admirable and is MORE needed among our young men, not less.
>I think I disagree with your notion that for any given person they are better off working on themselves than engaging in political action.
yes, theoretically, a bunch of people getting together to change some law to their benefit can benefit them. That's not the point. People getting together to exploit the public purse is not good for society. And doing so does not change their lives. And no one in the DR is doing that anyway.
>young men stirring discontent and finding a way to fight back is good and necessary.
If by "stirring discontent and finding a way to fight back" you mean shit psoting and being racist and calling people faggots meanwhile they work on themselves and become useful then I agree. If you mean doing that while being unemployed and playing video games all day then I disagree. The problem is not caring about politics. The problem is making politics your entire means for feeling important and powerful.
>The middle cannot hold, you can’t have the most capable, competent, and ambitious people of a society be at the bottom of the social hierarchy.
Actual political action, like running for city council or some shit, is an entirely different matter. I agree this is useful and productive. To succeed at this you MUST be competent and useful. No one reading my content is doing that though.
>FWIW Fuentes falls into the former category, he could easily be a high-status member of regular society
I agree. My post is not to Fuentes. It is to some degree to his NEET depressed groypers with zero skills in any domain beside trolling and gaming who think a white ethonstate is A) possible B) a good idea and C) going to solve any significant degree of everything that's making them miserable though.
I would imagine there are lots of competent and powerful young men reading your posts…
I think whereas spaces like these used to be for disaffected NEET youfs they’re increasingly becoming occupied by normie/normie-adjacent regular people who need explanations for why things are feeling off. We’re very good at redpilling people and we have the opportunity to platform our views at scale, shift the Overton window, and hopefully encourage meaningful political action. I hope we can make progress on this in the midst of our recent cultural victories 🫡
I guess i still don’t understand your point though. like. Okay sure, some of my readers are actively power maxxing and don’t need a post reminding them to power maxx. I contend that a reminder to do the thing you’re doing can’t hurt though. I wrote the post because i was personally wrestling with how much to feel “mad” at Elon and concluded that i need to stay thinking strategic and power maxxing and that my anger is only because i was overly relying on him to fix everything precisely bc i can’t fix it myself. It, like all my posts, is a message to myself first and foremost.
Maybe some of my readers are SO powerful that they’ve reached a point at which power maxxing is no longer necessary and now it’s time to politics. This seems unlikely as i think that’s after like an 8 fig next worth. And if they are that successful i dont think i really have anything useful to say to them anyway bc i am not there yet.
so again, Im still confused. what is your concern? what are you proposing i do differently?
I’m not writing to suggest you should be doing anything differently. I’m mostly musing out loud and to the degree I “disagree” I’m mostly just curious how you would respond. I don’t really have any prescriptions, I think you’re generally correct.
I suppose when it comes to political action I do fundamentally believe in the power of the everyday people - in populism. Major conflicts throughout history are not usually decided by the mega rich and powerful. Even Machiavelli instructed his princes to make sure to keep the commoners happy and defer to them on matters of insignificance to keep them willingly subjected. This is even more so the case today, I mean we just witnessed a few hundred anons absolutely smear the streets with Elon’s blood on his own platform and mount Vivek’s head on a pike (heard from him lately?)
So to me the question of how much any given person should focus on wallowing in their political disaffections so they’re more mad at the elites vs raising their power level depends on whether or not the commoners as a polity have a valid claim to the illegitimacy of the ruling class. In our case I believe we have a more valid claim than we have had in 100 years. So in my view we should all strive individually to become as competent as possible and if we have wives and kids to go touch grass and enjoy Sundays at the park, yes, but also be prepared to take up arms literally or metaphorically when the time comes and to stoke the flames of populism when they are on our side, which they very much currently are.
Not sure how this translates to actionable advice but my point is about the primal intuition, the specifics can be hashed out later.
you could be right
Have you read PIWT? I agree with everything you've said. My point is not that it's wrong but that it's misleading. While nothing you've said is incorrect, it leaves out a massive amount of other relevant information that leads believing it to being highly unproductive and self-defeating.
Stirring resentment, or worse, giving someone full of resentment who has been oppressed his entire life unlimited access to power will lead and always has led to disaster. In fact, every policy and cultural shift which led to the oppression and abuse of these men you speak of (a group which I considered myself in only a decade ago) was itself a reaction to the oppression and abuse of some other group in the past (women, minorities, etc). The feminists et al were retards focusing only on first order effects, and now we are here. Now we are doing the same, obsessed with our own plight, screeching at the top of our lungs for someone else to come in and implement our impossible political utopia that won't actually even fix the problem else we will burn everything down. When has people driven entirely by resentment and anger rather than strategy and deep thought ever gone well?
The solution is neither to give resentful people full of oppression access to power (what happened with the feminists et al) NOR to continue to oppress them and make them more angry (what we are doing to the young white men left behind). The solution is to help them cultivate their personal power so we can integrate and channel their energy into things that will actually improve their own and civilization's well being.